WASHINGTON (AP) National security adviser John Bolton was so alarmed by Rudy Giulianis back-channel activities in Ukraine that he described President Donald Trumps personal lawyer as a hand grenade who is going to blow everybody up, according to a former White House aide.
The aide, Fiona Hill, testified for more than 10 hours on Monday as part of the Democrats impeachment probe into Trumps dealings with Ukraine. She detailed Boltons concerns to lawmakers and told them that she had at least two meetings with National Security Council lawyer John Eisenberg about the matter at Boltons request, according to a person familiar with the testimony who requested anonymity to discuss the confidential interview.
Those meetings took place in early July, weeks before a July 25 phone call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, in which Trump urged that Zelenskiy investigate political rival Joe Bidens family and Ukraines own involvement in the 2016 presidential election.
A whistleblower complaint about that call, later made public, prompted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to launch the impeachment inquiry. Giuliani is Trumps personal lawyer and was heavily involved in the effort to pressure Ukraine on the investigations.
Hill, a top adviser on Russia, also referred to U.S. ambassador Gordon Sondland and acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, the person said, telling the three committees leading the investigation that Bolton also told her he was not part of whatever drug deal Sondland and Mulvaney are cooking up, an apparent reference to talks over Ukraine.
She quoted Bolton, whom Trump forced out last month, as saying in one conversation that Giuliani was a hand grenade whos going to blow everybody up.
Sondland is expected to appear for a deposition under subpoena Thursday and will certainly be asked about those talks.
The interviews are among what could eventually become dozens of closed-door depositions in the impeachment probe. There are five more scheduled this week, mostly with State Department officials, though it is unclear if they will all appear after Trump declared he wouldnt cooperate with the probe.
On Tuesday, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent arrived on Capitol Hill to testify.
Sondland is expected to tell Congress that a text message released earlier this month reassuring another envoy that there was no quid pro quo in their interactions with Ukraine was based solely on what Trump told him, according to a person familiar with his coming testimony.
The cache of text messages was provided by one of the inquirys first witnesses, former Ukrainian envoy Kurt Volker, and detailed attempts by the diplomats to serve as intermediaries around the time Trump urged Zelenskiy to start the investigations into a company linked to Bidens son.
Hill also told the investigators that she had strongly and repeatedly objected to the ouster earlier this year of former ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, according to the person familiar with the testimony. Yovanovitch testified to the impeachment investigators Friday that Trump pressured the State Department to fire her.
While interviews have focused on the interactions with Ukraine, the probe could broaden as soon as next week to include interviews with White House budget officials who may be able to shed light on whether military aid was withheld from Ukraine as Trump and Giuliani pushed for the investigations.
The three committees leading the probe are seeking interviews next week with Russell Vought, acting director of the Office of Management and Budget, and Michael Duffey, another OMB official who leads national security programs, according to a person familiar with those requests. That person wasnt authorized to discuss the invitations and requested anonymity.
The packed schedule of interviews comes as Democrats are methodically working to pin down the details of Trumps pressure on Zelenskiy. Once Democrats have completed the probe and followed any other threads it produces, they will use their findings to help determine whether to vote on articles of impeachment. Pelosi said she wants the committees to move expeditiously.
Michael McKinley, a former top aide to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo who resigned last week, is scheduled to testify Wednesday. McKinley, a career foreign service officer and Pompeos de facto chief of staff, resigned Friday, ending a 37-year career.
The committees are also scheduled to talk to Ulrich Brechbuhl, a State Department counselor, on Thursday. On Friday, the lawmakers have scheduled an interview with Laura Cooper, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia. It is unclear if any of those officials will show up after Trumps vow of non-cooperation.
Because of the Trump administrations edict, the Democrats have been subpoenaing witnesses as they arrived for their interviews a move sometimes known as a friendly subpoena that could give the witnesses additional legal protection as they testify. Both Yovanovitch and Hill received subpoenas the mornings of their testimony, and Kent was subpoenaed for Tuesdays interview, officials said.
One witness who may not be called before Congress is the still-anonymous government whistleblower who touched off the impeachment inquiry.
Republicans complained Tuesday that the whistleblowers identity should be made available.
The question I keep coming back to is why dont we know who this individual is? Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio said Tuesday. I mean theyre basing an impeachment process, trying to remove the president of the United States based on some anonymous whistleblower again with no first-hand knowledge.
Top Democrats say testimony and evidence coming in from other witnesses, and even the Republican president himself, are backing up the whistleblowers account of what transpired during Trumps July 25 phone call with Zelenskiy. Lawmakers have grown deeply concerned about protecting the person from Trumps threats and may not wish to risk exposing the whistleblowers identity.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., said Sunday it may not be necessary to reveal the whistleblowers identity as the House gathers evidence. He said Democrats dont need the whistleblower, who wasnt on the call, to tell us what took place on the call.
Trump showed no signs of backing down.
Adam Schiff now doesnt seem to want the Whistleblower to testify. NO! the Republican president tweeted Monday. We must determine the Whistleblowers identity to determine WHY this was done to the USA.
Republican lawmakers have aimed their ire at Democrats and the process, saying Pelosi should hold a vote to begin the inquiry and hold the meetings out in the open, not behind closed doors.
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Associated Press writers Michael Balsamo, Eric Tucker, Lisa Mascaro, Padmananda Rama and Andrew Taylor contributed to this report.